5 responses to “Carcieri Cracks Down”

  1. Chris

    Humans can’t be illegal. I think that if some of the most important people in your life were to be deported tomorrow, your ideas would probably change in a very drastic way. If we really want to solve the budgetary problems, it seems like it would make a lot more sense to examine the places where money is actually being spent rather than speculate on how changing immigration policies could have a trickle down effect on everything else. However, in Rhode Island this really can’t happen because the overwhelming government corruption and money laundering that happens here would be thrown under the spotlight. Also, your comparison of “illegal immigrants” to terrorists is pretty terrible. The worst terrorist is indicative of an organization that has purposeful plans to undermine our government or endanger the safety of our people. A group of immigrants fleeing to a better place out of desperation hardly seems comparable. I also wonder if you are actually from Rhode Island, because this article is written without a lot of basic understanding of how things actually work here.

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    Joshua Unseth reply on October 20th, 2008 11:54 pm:

    You’re right. People can’t be illegal, but they can be criminals. A criminal is someone who breaks the law. Illegal immigrants are breaking the law. Thus, they are criminals. The punishment for the crime is deportation. Is it really that hard? Beyond that, Kristina isn’t drawing parallels between terrorists and illegal immigrants. She’s saying that the law doesn’t discriminate. Either we follow it or we don’t (and the punishment is delineated clearly. I don’t think that it’s well worded, but dude, you are obviously just trying to find offense.

    Oh, and my aunt was deported. She then waited ten years to get her green card. Guess what: I’m even more strongly for enforcement of immigration law. Chris, you’re a bleeding heart liberal without any understanding of what you’re saying.

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    Aaron reply on October 22nd, 2008 1:48 am:

    In reading Kristina’s article, what I could not understand was her belief in the sacredness of the law. Why are all laws automatically infallible? Some laws are good, clearly. It could be argued that most of the laws we have are good, even. But, just as I’m sure you would agree if, say, a socialist came into power and started major wealth redistributions, there are certain laws that are simply morally unjust. And we, as humans, deserve justice, don’t we?
    The problem, it would seem to me (and I truly don’t mean to make an assumption, I’m simply guessing from what I read in this article) is that you’re not quite able to envision these ‘illegal aliens’ as being humans who, just like you, do, in fact, deserve justice. They may not speak your same language, or be your same color. But that is absolutely no excuse to make them into anything less than people. And don’t tell me you’re not doing that–denying a person of the ability to live, support a family…splitting up a family–there is no way to argue that this is not dehumanizing.
    I don’t know how many ‘illegal’ immigrants you happen to know closely. I am friends with two. Let’s take my friend Nacho, for example. I worked with him at Corner Bakery for several years. His family is from a vastly impoverished town in Mexico, where there simply were no economic or educational opportunities. In the cliched American tale, they came here searching for a better life. Nacho works three jobs, as do his siblings–they use the money to buy American products, with sales tax. Nacho wants to get legal status, but it’s not really possible at this point without losing all he’s worked for.
    A couple months ago he got in a car crash, and when the police came to report it, he was picked up. He is being deported, I am not sure of the exact date.
    Ok. Tell me. Simply because my friend did not have the simply good luck we’ve had of being born in this country, is this just?
    Is that a law, seriously, that has ANY bearing on what America is supposed to stand for?
    I’d be very interested in your response.

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    Joshua Unseth reply on October 22nd, 2008 12:16 pm:

    You are conflating justice and American justice system. I’m not saying that all laws are just. And I support strongly the administration of justice for all people. As Pope Paul VI said, “if you want peace, work for justice.” I think that justice is an universal right. But I don’t think that it is unjust that some people do not have access to the same justice we have in America. While you are giving me Nacho’s anecdotal story, his is not necessarily the norm. He’s not paying taxes, he’s paying only sales taxes. If he is willing to be dishonest regarding the tax system, he’s probably also willing to be dishonest regarding his car insurance. I’d be willing to bet that Nacho’s accident cost him a bit of money, but probably cost the person he hit even more. Truth be told, I don’t really care if illegal immigrants are roaming our streets so long as they are living within the law. But, when they do things like not pay taxes, not get car insurance, or commit worse crimes, I think that those are the people that need to go. I think that in terms of true justice, the cost incurred by the driver your friend hit is more unjust than any law regarding illegal immigrants.

  2. Student

    The dollars being drain from our coffers are not because of illegal immigration. Illegal aliens
    do pay for education, welfare, and other services. How? They are contributing to Americans programs that illegals cannot profit from, due to their emigrational status. How do they pay for education? Education is paid mostly by property taxes. Illegal aliens either pay taxes or pay rent. Those who get pay by checks know that federal and state taxes are deducted thru their payroll system automatically. Rent pays taxes and taxes are paid by illegal aliens. Municipalities’ services? Oh, Rent helps pay for taxes. Again, taxes pay for police, fire, etc. The only one that really does not pay for taxes is health care but, this will change soon.
    Many federal and state programs such as The Social security also benefits from illegal aliens; deductions are made automatically out of their pay checks (According to studies nearly 40,000 illegal live in RI) and those contributions are un-returnable funds that illegal make to us, Americans. Only Americans with a good Social Security number can benefit from this program.
    All lobbyist groups that are constantly after illegal immigration have interest in making money due to others suffering. Interest groups such as unions or correctional departments want this to happen. The more prisoners, the more money is put into budget departments and promotions are most like to happen.
    By all means, let’s stop generalizations of illegal immigrants and pressure the government to document all illegal immigrants. They are lots of great role models that are illegal aliens. Our ancestors made America the place we love and a lot of them were illegal aliens at one point. They came from different decent like Italian, Irish, Canadians, French, Hispanics, Asians and Indians are all types of examples of illegal emigrational cases in our country that contributed to our nation. STOP THE GENERALIZATION; Hispanics are not the only illegal immigrants. At one point of our American history, should we have deported all the Italians and Irish descent people because of their ties with the mob? Illegal activities to avoid taxes, NO! Not all Italians and Irish people were bad or criminals. In my opinion, make them join the Military Service, Join the peace-corps, do community service etc,. These are ways that illegal aliens can show loyalty towards the United States of America and give them an opportunity for them to earn and join our American dream.

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